Ep9 - Bringing Energetics into the Boardroom with Noona Nafousi

Episode 9: Bringing Energetics into the Boardroom with Noona Nafousi

Episode Summary:
In this episode, host Sarah Atkins interviews Noona Nafousi, the CEO of bespoke coaching company Neo Noor. Noona shares her journey from corporate headhunter to transformative coach, focusing on bringing energetics and mindset work into the corporate world. They discuss the impact of a person's energy and beliefs on their career success, Noona's own deconditioning process, and the common themes she sees in both working moms and corporate clients. Noona explains Neo Noor's mission to reform the corporate landscape by empowering leaders and teams to show up with more self-awareness and empathy.

Guest Bio:
Noona Nafousi is the CEO of Neo Noor, a coaching company that delivers one-on-one and group coaching workshops for corporate clients. After a 22-year career as a headhunter, Noona left the corporate world and discovered her passion for coaching. She now helps people in the business world reconnect with themselves, reignite their passion, and transform the way they show up at work.

Topics Discussed:
- Noona's journey from corporate headhunter to transformative coach [2:38 - 5:34]
- The importance of energetics and a person's "energy signature" in the workplace [5:35 - 7:58]
- How energetics and mindset impact career success and advancement [8:03 - 10:03]
- Noona's own deconditioning work to break generational cycles of anger and shame [14:26 - 17:23]
- Common themes in working with moms returning to work vs. corporate clients [23:19 - 27:11]
- The ripple effect of Noona's work with leaders and teams [28:52 - 30:19]
- Neo Noor's mission to reform the corporate world [30:19 - 31:38]

Notable Quotes:
"The way they show up, how they're being and how they're reacting to their boss, how they're taking on extra responsibility, that all affects the energy that they're bringing into the workplace." - Noona Nafousi

"Once you see your blind spot, you can never unsee it. Once the blind spot is there and it's like shown you, it's reared it's big head, that's it. It's always going to be there." - Noona Nafousi

"It's impossible to empower your team if you can't empower yourself. And it's, are you ready to take that deep look at yourself? So that you can guide someone else to have a look at themselves." - Noona Nafousi

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Instagram: @noonanafousi
LinkedIn: Noona Nafousi
Website: www.neonoor.com

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Transcript

Sarah Atkins: 0:03

Welcome to the Energetics of Being Podcast, a podcast that delves into the fascinating world of human design and unravels the layers of conditioning beliefs and expectations that can influence who we become and how we show up in our lives. I'm your host, Sarah Atkins, and I'm really excited to share this journey with you. This podcast is for you if you're tired of feeling stuck, held back, or disconnected from your true self. My intention for this podcast is that we're going to shine a light on the patterns and behaviors that can prevent us from fully expressing our authentic self. Together we'll uncover the tools, insights, and practices that can empower you to release the limitations that no longer serve you. We are gonna tap into the power of energy, intuition, and self-awareness to unlock your true potential so that you can live a life that aligns with your authentic self. Join me each week as we engage in thought-provoking conversations with experts, practitioners, and individuals who have experienced their own profound transformations. We'll explore topics such as human design, gene keys, astrology, holistic approaches, coaching, neuroscience, and psychology. We're gonna draw from a rich tapestry of wisdom to help you navigate your own personal journey of self-discovery. So whether you are new to human design or have been on a path of self-discovery for years, this podcast is for you. This is your invitation to step into your power, embrace your uniqueness, and create a life that resonates with your soul's deepest desires. So if you're ready to dive in, let's go. Hello and welcome to today's episode, of the Energetics of Being today I am so excited to introduce to you Noona Nafousi all the way from sunny Dubai. At least I hope it's sunny over there. And Noona is the CEO of Neo Noor, which is a bespoke coaching company that delivers one to one coaching as well as group coaching workshops for companies. Noona helps people in the corporate world to reconnect with themselves, reignite their passion for their lives and their careers. And she is such a beautiful soul. I've had the pleasure of working with Noona myself. And we've had some fabulous conversations anyway, because Noona was a client of mine. Two years ago now, I think. Yeah. And it's just been so wonderful to watch your journey. So welcome to the episode, Noona.

Noona Nafousi: 2:38

Oh, thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to be here. And yes, I did do my think it was my first deep reading for Human Design with you, and it was just amazing. I, I really wanted it. to build my business with the right energetics. And it was really so insightful to get the tips that you gave me to run the business. So thank you so much for that.

Sarah Atkins: 3:04

Oh, you're very welcome. And that kind of leads us on to perfectly about your business, because I know that you started off sort of just doing your one to one coaching, but this has evolved into like a full on corporate. Like business now. So I'd love to know a little bit about your journey and sort of what got you here.

Noona Nafousi: 3:24

Yeah, I think when I first decided to do coaching, I had just come out of the corporate world. I got made redundant. The way that I got made redundant was really quite harsh. I got really burned. And I decided that I wanted nothing to do with the corporate world. I was working very much with overwhelmed moms, but Because I was a headhunter for 22 years, a lot of people who were approaching me were people from LinkedIn who were wanting help within the corporate world and it just kept coming to me and actually those were the people that I really enjoyed working with because I completely understood why they may be looking for a new job because that's what I did when I was a headhunter. I completely understood why they've lost their spark. So They just kept coming and I guess they within themselves, the clients who were coming to me kind of pushed me into setting up Neo Noor. It was like a really beautiful invite from the universe. Like this is where really you should be going. So I set up Neo Noor, which really the name was a bit of a download for me. Neo means new and Noor it's actually my real name. It's the name of my passport, which means the light of God. So it's really new light. It's really beautiful. It means new light. And I decided that my aim was to really, the purpose of the company was to transform the way corporate coaching was done. Because so much of corporate coaching is just about strategy and I want to bring the energetics into it. I want to teach people how to, that the way they show up at work really matters. And the way they speak to themselves really matters in their careers. And then the work that I'm doing one to one is really essentially teaching people to kind of look at how and who they're being while they're at work and how that kind of trickles into all the different areas into their lives.

Sarah Atkins: 5:21

Oh, Love that, I got goosebumps when you were saying that. So, okay. That all sounds amazing, but what got you into the energetics? Like why did that kind of call to you personally?

Noona Nafousi: 5:34

Yeah, I, you know, I saw it a lot when I was interviewing. So I say when you're in, in a recruiter, you would have like 10, sometimes 12 interviews a day. And there was a time where, you know, I'd be on one day where. I'd interviewed say 12 people, but something about someone, the way they walked into the room just blew my mind. They didn't even have to say anything. They would just walk into the room and straight away. I knew this was going to be a good interview. I just knew it. I could feel it. I could, it was like palatable. Like there was something magical about them. Then they would start speaking and then that would blow my mind as well. And then they'd leave the room. And so I developed my own framework, which is I call pow, pow, power. And it's that, that is really the energetic that they would walk in. It'd be like, just blow away. They'd start speaking again and then leave the room. So that really got me into, I was obsessed with like why Why, why this person, what is it about them? And so I just started studying it. I just became really, I'm quite intuitive as well. And I started picking up on what it was and I start asking them questions and I realized it was a bit their beliefs, how they saw themselves, how they spoke to themselves, all of that really played into the energy that they had brought into the room and their energy would speak before them.

Sarah Atkins: 7:06

Yeah. Amazing. And that's interesting actually, because One of the things that I say a lot, and I've said it in a few episodes now, is that people, I see a lot of people using human design as a box to kind of put themselves into. And it was never intended in that way, because it can only take a snapshot of who your potential effectively doesn't take into account your life experiences. And you said yourself, a lot of your energetics comes from your past experiences. The story you're telling yourself, like if you've had a really positive work experience and you've been praised a lot you've done good work, you have this like unshakable confidence, doesn't it? Because it can really impact your confidence and how you walk into that room and how you kind of show up.

Noona Nafousi: 7:55

Yeah, yeah, it really can.

Sarah Atkins: 7:58

So when the energy is good. And people can of start working on their energetics. How does that impact them in terms of business or, or the flip side, actually, like, how can, how do you see energetics impacting people in the workplace?

Noona Nafousi: 8:15

Yeah, massively. So I have clients who've come to me and said, you know, I'm really looking for this pay rise and I've been overlooked for it and I don't know why. And once we start digging into it, actually, on some level, they don't quite believe they're going to get it. So the way they show up, how they're being and how they're reacting to their boss, how they're taking on extra responsibility, that all affects the energy that they're bringing into the workplace. So we start talking about what's the story, what's the narrative, what do they keep saying to themselves, how are they waking up, how are they structuring their day? So a lot of it is who are they being? to get the end result. And then what we look at is how does that stuff manifest? And this is for women and men as well is that they they're not using their voice in meetings. And a lot of my clients are either C level or board members or senior people, and they're being a bit too agreeable in the boardroom. They're not really challenging things. They're not saying things. All of that is playing into the belief and the energy and the energetics of playing small. I don't want to be heard. Do I really believe that I belong here? So when we start doing this work, they start speaking up. They own their voice. They're less agreeable. They become more confident and the way they view themselves. changes and then eventually the way other people view them changes. And so I've had clients within three months, have got a pay rise or a promotion. Some we've worked together for six months, had two promotions. So it has a massive impact on people in the workplace.

Sarah Atkins: 10:03

That's phenomenal, isn't it? Because we can quite easily get into this mindset of, Oh, I'm not as good as them. And I'm not as effective as that person over there. Or I really admire that you've just reminded me of a conversation I had with a client a couple of weeks ago, actually, who we were talking about confident. They wanted to be more confident. They work in a very masculine Driven industry. And they just wanted to show up more confidently in their presentations and things like that. So we kind of dug into like, okay, if you were being more confident, like, what would you be like, they couldn't pin down what their characteristics were. So, and it's funny how, even in my own awareness, I was like, Oh my God, this person isn't getting what they need out of this coaching session. Have I delivered enough? Cause I was asking questions and they were really struggling to answer them. We had our next session the following two weeks or two weeks later they said, it's really interesting because I wasn't able to answer your question on the day. But for the following two weeks, they went around observing, looking for people that they admired or that they perceived as being confident. And actually they started realizing that, Oh, Oh, Oh, maybe I've got more than I thought I had. Maybe I. And it's so funny, because it's, it's like changing that lens, isn't it? It's changing the filter that we're looking at things through. And when you start opening that or changing the filter, your whole perception can shift and change.

Noona Nafousi: 11:41

Yeah, it's amazing, isn't it? And I love that as well. It's such a good example because people think that every session has to be this big, like, Oh my God, you know, revelation. But, and we do think that as well as coaches and mentors, like, have I done enough? But actually it is just the probing and getting them to think of things in a different way. And I find as well that when people are like, I don't know, I'm not sure. There's a small resistance there of what I have not really wanting to really step into it and then it starts just that resistance somehow by you probing a bit more, it gets diluted and you're like, Kind of cracking through and, and then there's, then they start wondering, Oh, actually, maybe. And, and actually that session was maybe fighting through the resistance of maybe I don't, maybe I'm not quite ready for this. Then they go out and see people who are confident, like, actually I am ready, ready to take it.

Sarah Atkins: 12:41

It's magical, isn't it? What would you say the best part of being a coach is in terms of what you get out of it?

Noona Nafousi: 12:50

I get so activated by it. I really do. And it's so funny because I had a session yesterday with a client. We had a VIP session in my house and they came and it was really beautiful. And, and when they left, I just felt so activated myself because you end up. getting so much out of the sessions because I was saying to the client yesterday, I think each client dictates how the session is going to go because actually the reason why it's not the same isn't because of me, but because each client brings in their own personality and leads you. And I love how really, we are just guiding them and mentoring into answers that is within them anyway. And the answers that they give, for me, it's really activating. It's like, Oh my God, yes. And it reminds me and it keeps me. You know, feeling excited about how the human brain works and how really we've all got the answer. It's just just need someone to bring it out of you. And so the sessions as well, activate me as much as it does them as well.

Sarah Atkins: 14:02

I love that. And obviously, you know, the theme of this podcast is about sort of how our conditioning can kind of show up in our lives. Which obviously impacts our family, our business and all the rest of it. Have you had any kind of big ahas or any kind of deconditioning that you've had to do in order to kind of get you to where you are?

Noona Nafousi: 14:26

Yeah, I have you when we did our session. So I was a manifesting generator. And my I guess a lot of my, or mine is dissatisfaction. And that note itself, I can't remember what it is. It's my frustration. Yeah, my non self is very much frustration. And I'm originally Iraqi. I come from an Arabic household. We are, Iraqis are known for being extremely hot headed. And I mean, every Iraqi is a manifestation of that. Mine is very, I really used to struggle with my anger a lot. And one of the things that through the kind of the coaching that we did together through uncovering. My frustration was really noticing that when I was getting frustrated. There's something was missing. It's not that that was just me. It's just what I was doing. I wasn't getting satisfaction out of it. I wasn't, it wasn't serving me in some way. And I would say My ability to hold and control my anger and not flip out so quickly and children are your biggest triggers. And the amount of calmness I have brought to me being a mother and being really intentional about breaking the generational cycle of shouting and shame and I feel so proud about that, you know, I can actually respond to my daughter if something's happened and not, if that was me, the way I would have been dealt would have been, you know, shouted at, screamed out, shamed into it. And I did feel all of those emotions when she'd done something and I was really upset, but I didn't. Speak to her about it for three days because I knew the way that I was going to show up is not the version of me that would have made me really happy. And just knowing that I had to wait for my anger to subside. I waited till I was feeling really confident and calm and I searched online. How should I deal with this? What should I do? I mean, she's eight, so it wasn't anything big, but she did something wrong and I needed to teach her the lesson. And the way that I responded to it. was, really was for me, I knew I was breaking a generational cycle of trauma there and shame and that was big for me that and this is what this work does allow you to do. It's really where you can just reflect on yourself and say, what version of me needs to show up now. Okay, well, that I know that right now that's not so I'm just going to sit with how I'm feeling and let it kind of pass through. That was massive for me. That was a really, really big moment for me.

Sarah Atkins: 17:23

Amazing, actually, because, and I've said this on my socials before, like, I never expected parenting to be such a healing, cathartic process in itself. it brought up so much stuff for me in terms of like my own childhood. My relationship with my parents, how I didn't want things to kind of play out. And that's not a criticism of like my parents, like they parented in the way that they parented, like that, you know, there's nothing wrong with how that I turned out. Okay. But it was kind of, like you say, it's like breaking a cycle almost because and I'll just give an example. And again, I've shared this on other episodes, but my mom was an alcoholic. She sadly passed away last year, but her maternal mother was also an alcoholic. We have no idea how much further back that went. And She didn't have my mom didn't have a relationship with her maternal mother because she was put up for adoption. I didn't have the best relationship with my mom we healed it in the end, and it was an amazing experience. But I didn't want that negative mothering experience to continue in that cycle so I know that the work that I've done is cycle breaking. I know that. Yeah. It doesn't make it any easier, by the way, for anybody that's listening. It really sucks sometimes.

Noona Nafousi: 18:59

It is so far from easy. And I was talking about this with my friend who is also into personal development saying, once you open that door, where you are looking at yourself and questioning yourself, It seems like a never ending journey because it really is. It's like, rather than just accepting it and being like, oh, well, that's the way I am, you know, everyone just has to accept me for me. When you go down this road, it's very much like, well, why did I do that? And how can I have shown up better? And you end up asking yourself, and it is such a, it's just too much, isn't it, sometimes. So, it's not easy. I think this route is so much harder than this. Like, ignorance really is bliss. Yeah, completely. It just, yeah.

Sarah Atkins: 19:49

It reminds me of like you know, Neo, actually talking of Neo, in The Matrix, it's like you take the red pill or the blue pill, but there is no going back. There is, once you've opened that box, you can't... Unlearn all of the things. You can't unsee all of the things that you've now become aware of. It's fascinating.

Noona Nafousi: 20:08

Exactly. It is. And it's like I was saying to my clients as well, and I'm sure you have this too, is that once you see your blind spot, you can never unsee it. Once the blind spot is there and it's like shown you, it's reared it's big head, that's it. It's always going to be there. It is a beautiful journey to go down but and I, but it's by no means a walk in the park or you know it's, but the end. is like breaking you know, patterns and actually really creating deep, deep change. But I always say, you know, there's this duality, isn't it? If you want to get to the other side of, you have to feel the, the other bit. So if you want, To feel true joy, you really do have to understand what pain is. And it's just the part of it, really. The deeper you feel the pain, the more, the deeper you feel the joy.

Sarah Atkins: 21:04

I think that's also possibly what makes you exceptionally good at what you do in the fact that you kind of, you've been there, you've lived it. And I'm not saying that you have to, in order to work in the corporate world, you don't. You don't have to have worked in the corporate world. That's not what I mean. And as a coach, you certainly don't need to be an expert in everybody's field. However, in terms of coaching or even healing or any kind of therapy modality, there's a lot to be said for like, I wouldn't work with a coach that didn't actually get coached themselves. You've got to be willing to do the work. If you can't do it yourself. Then, and, and you can only take clients as far as you're willing to go yourself as well, I think.

Noona Nafousi: 21:48

Yeah, yeah, it's really true. And it's because, as well, and one of the things that I say when my coaching, when I'm coaching leaders in the corporate world is, it's impossible to empower your team if you can't empower yourself. And it's, are you ready to take that deep look at yourself? So that you can guide someone else to have a look at themselves. Are you willing to trust someone else to guide you so that someone will trust you to guide them? So it's, it's a two way. It's the two way road that you take. And I mean, I have the last four years of me setting up the coaching business. I have never had so much coaching in my life. And the great thing is I'm actually, I love it. And it does become, an obsession of wanting to get better, wanting to improve yourself, wanting to, you know, and it's, it's just, yeah, it's a never ending journey, isn't it? Like they say, that's why they say it's, it's a journey, not a destination.

Sarah Atkins: 22:53

Absolutely. I love that quote. And I was just going to sort of say in terms of, I know when we were working together, you were working very much with mums returning to work and kind of looking at that. Are there any particular common themes that came up with mums returning to work and any of those that kind of follow on into the work you're doing now with the sort of corporates and teams and things like that? Are there any common themes?

Noona Nafousi: 23:19

Yeah, do you know it's so interesting that you say that because I was thinking about this the other day and They really do. It's the people pleasing, imposter syndrome, not owning your voice, finding it really hard to say no. All of those things that mums struggle with and boundaries, you know, lack of boundaries, trying to reestablish what your boundaries are. All of that work that I did with mums, I am also doing with CEOs that I'm working with. It's, it's similar because So much of what we're taught when to get to really like if someone who's in the corporate world wants to do well and get promoted and all of these things, all of the skills that they learn to get them to achieving and the promotion or whatever is, those skills are not the skills that are going to take them to the next stage of their career, because they've pushed it and they've hustled and they've said yes to everything and all of those things, great. And then in, in the journey on to doing that, they've got, they've got the job, they're earning decent money, or they, they are where they want to be, but they've lost themselves in the process. And now they're wondering where's my passion. Do I really want to do that. And, and then when you get to the next stage you need to then rein in your boundaries, learn to say no, look after yourself. Have a look at how you can bring some calm into your life. Do you know what life is like anymore? All of those things are very much related to mums wanting to go back to work as well.

Sarah Atkins: 24:56

I love that because actually there's a lot of mums that I know and I know how I felt when I went back to work. I really struggled with it. And it wasn't because I didn't want to go back to work. I did, but I no longer felt like in the industry that I was in, which was fast fashion. I no longer felt that I had anything in common with the other people that I worked with. So it's kind of really weird, but what. So all of those things I attached onto, it's like, Oh, I'm no longer trendy enough. I'm no longer able to go out to the pub or not longer able to do all of these things. I'd almost completely forgotten about what I did bring. Into the space. Like I brought experience, knowledge, tolerance and patience. And also I have to say, becoming a mom, I became like super efficient because I had to, I had to leave the office at certain times, so that meant I had to work smarter, not harder. So I stopped the hustling. But again, I was massively underestimating those skills that I brought because. I felt the glare of everybody as I sort of downed tools at five o'clock and I thought I wasn't doing enough. I want, you know, I'm not being enough. Everybody's judging me. It's such a weird kind of time, isn't it? It's a weird dynamic. Yeah, it really is.

Noona Nafousi: 26:16

And that's really when, you know, you've got that's when you're asked to tap into your confidence and self belief and change the story and the narrative that you're telling yourself. And all of those things can really help in that situation. I mean, I wish I had been. Introduced to the coaching that I do now, when I return to work as a mom because there are so many things I would not have put up with, not just from the way some of the people at work were talking to me and people are reporting into but from myself. I would have been so much. stricter about what I would have allowed, how I would have allowed myself to speak to myself, actually would have changed so much when we talk about energetic, what I was, how I was showing up, that would have completely changed if I was more confident and cleaned up all that mental crap.

Sarah Atkins: 27:11

You're so right. And it's funny though, because I had this conversation with a friend actually recently. It's like, there's part of me that wishes I'd have known Like 20 years ago, the stuff that I know now, because then I wouldn't have gone through the corporate bullying, the working for a narcissist, I wouldn't have put up with it. But at the same time, this, our conversation was like, yeah, but you can't regret it because actually those experiences are still relevant. They are what led me on the path to where I am now. So you've got to kind of do that reframe at the same time. So yes, possibly life would have been a bit more straightforward. However, I might not actually be sitting here today. So, it's a funny one.

Noona Nafousi: 27:57

Again, it is like that double edged sword, isn't it? I think it's how you view what happened as well. Like, you know, for me, I know that I was also, you know, bullied in the workplace and worked for a boss who, in the end... really didn't appreciate me and didn't pay me what I was due. And it ended up firing me in the worst circumstances during COVID. And actually it was those things that really made me have to dig deep. Like we say, if you're going to feel real pain, then you're going to get the lessons from it. So. Yeah, I think, but I still think you can, you can still get the lesson from people who have been through it without having to go through it yourself.

Sarah Atkins: 28:45

Yeah, yeah, no, I agree with that. Okay, so what's the next steps then for Neo Noor? And your business.

Noona Nafousi: 28:52

So yeah, for me, for Neo Noor, I just want to really touch as many people in the corporate world as I can because the corporate world can get a bad rep and people like, oh, I hate, I actually loved being in the corporate world. I absolutely adored it. I loved working. I still do love working. I still do love it when. I go to people's offices and I'm in the boardroom. I, I think we can change the way we are in the corporate world and the way we show up. We just need to be taught how, and I am willing to take the flag for that one and willing to do whatever it takes. to change the way leaders are and the way people are being coached and taught in the corporate world. And just to keep on doing, you know, as much of the one to one work that I can, because I have to say, I'm so lucky. I really do attract the best clients. And I just have, Seemed to the people who work with me are just amazing. So yeah, it has a ripple effect as well. You know, the CEOs that I'm working with what they're the way they're now approaching their teams, leading more with trust and turning up with more empathy because they've got more empathy with themselves, having clearer boundaries with their teams because they've got clearer boundaries with themselves. It's really powerful, powerful things that they're doing. So yeah, I guess. Just the really small task of reforming the corporate world.

Sarah Atkins: 30:19

I mean, that's amazing. I'd just like to pick up on something that you said there as well. You said you're so lucky to kind of attract the clients that you do. And I would say that that's down to your energy. Having watched your journey over the last couple of years, the way you show up. We know that anybody that is into human design generator types, are magnetic, manifesting generators and generators. And when you're truly showing up as authentically as you do, which you do online with your videos and your social media posts and things like that, it's like attracts like. You attract the right people because that's the energy that you're putting out into the world.

Noona Nafousi: 30:57

Yeah, and I have to say it was, you know, the work that we were doing as well like learning that my throat was defined so a really good way to do that was to speak and I do feel really comfortable to speak but I've never thought of doing videos or going on stories so I think when you learn about how your energy runs through you, which, you know, you did, you taught me so much about that. It does feel so natural and it does come so naturally. So for anyone who's in business, reach out to Sarah. She will give you your skills.

Sarah Atkins: 31:31

Definitely. I love that. So if people want to follow up with you and find out how to work with you, where can they find you?

Noona Nafousi: 31:38

So I'm really active on Instagram, which is under Noona Nafousi. I'm very active on LinkedIn. Again, it's under Noona Nafousi and then my website, which is neonoor. com.

Sarah Atkins: 31:48

Amazing. And I'll pop those links in the show notes for anybody that wants to follow up with you. Thank you so much for joining me, Noona. I really appreciate it.

Noona Nafousi: 31:57

Thank you so much for having me. I love that I could speak to you all day.

Sarah Atkins: 32:00

Ditto. I've said that to almost every one of my guests as well so far. Thank you very much for listening and we'll see you next time. Thank you for joining me on this episode of the Energetics of Being. I hope you found our exploration today, both insightful and inspiring, and if you resonated with what you heard today, I invite you to subscribe, rate, and review this podcast on your preferred platform, whatever that might be. Your feedback is really invaluable and it helps us to reach even more listeners on their own journey of self-discovery. And remember, the conversation doesn't have to end here. You can connect with me on social media. I'm on Instagram under the handle sarah m atkins. Or you can find me on Facebook just as Sarah Atkins. You could even come and join my Facebook group, The Energetics of Being where you can share your thoughts, questions, or your own personal experiences. I would really love to hear from you and continue our conversation there. I am on a personal mission to bring you thought provoking conversations and practical insights to help you break free from the conditioning that holds you back, allowing your true self to shine brilliantly. And as we close out this episode, take a moment to reflect on what you've learned today. How can you apply these insights to your own life? What steps can you take to further align with your own authentic self? Thank you again for listening. I really do appreciate you choosing to spend some time with me. And until next time, remember that you are a unique once in a lifetime expression of the universe. Embrace your individuality, trust your inner wisdom, and keep shining your light brightly. Take care, and we'll catch you in the next episode of The Energetics of being. Stay curious, stay authentic, and stay true to you.