Ep 5 - Healing the Ancestral Line & Reclaiming Feminine Power with Natalia Komis

Episode 5 : Healing the Ancestral Line & Reclaiming Feminine Power with Natalia Komis

Episode Summary:

In this episode I speak with my conscious business mentor Natalia Komis about her journey into spiritual and energy healing work. We discuss healing past trauma and reconnecting to feminine energy, her Temple Journey goddess energy activation program, ancestral healing, and using modalities as self-exploration tools. Natalia also shares about developing Mind Body Reconnect therapy and her own experience with chronic illness. 

Guest Bio:

Natalia Komis is a modern day oracle who serves as a spiritual business mentor and soul channel for conscious leaders. She's been doing this work since 2012. Natalia is a true multi-passionate - she is an energy healer, mind body reconnect therapist, soul activator, serial social entrepreneur, and artist who channels divine creative light for the ascension of the new earth.

Topics Discussed:

- Natalia’s calling to energy healing and soul purpose work
- Clearing past trauma and reclaiming feminine energy
- Natalia's Temple Journey program for goddess energy activation
- Mother wounds and ancestral healing 
- Using modalities for self-empowerment
- Natalia’s journey with chronic illness and development of Mind Body Reconnect therapy
- Tuning into your own path and intuition

Timestamps:

00:00 - Introduction 
00:45 - Natalia's journey and soul purpose 
02:30 - Healing past trauma and feminine energy
05:15 - The Temple Journey program
08:00 - Mother wounds and ancestral healing
10:30 - Using modalities as exploration tools
13:00 - Natalia's experience with illness and MBR therapy
16:45 - Following your own path

Key Quotes:

"It evolved into me channeling and doing a lot more, opening myself up even more to this kind of stuff."

"When we start doing that work...it’s like giving yourself permission to actually go there. When you do that, you’re opening the door for the next level."

"Curiosity saves you. Literally saves you, saves you from boredom, which is one of the biggest killers."

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Website: www.nataliakomis.com
Instagram: @nataliakomis

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Transcript

Sarah Atkins: 0:03

Welcome to the Energetics of Being Podcast, a podcast that delves into the fascinating world of human design and unravels the layers of conditioning beliefs and expectations that can influence who we become and how we show up in our lives. I'm your host, Sarah Atkins, and I'm really excited to share this journey with you. This podcast is for you if you're tired of feeling stuck, held back, or disconnected from your true self. My intention for this podcast is that we're going to shine a light on the patterns and behaviors that can prevent us from fully expressing our authentic self. Together we'll uncover the tools, insights, and practices that can empower you to release the limitations that no longer serve you. We are gonna tap into the power of energy, intuition, and self-awareness to unlock your true potential so that you can live a life that aligns with your authentic self. Join me each week as we engage in thought-provoking conversations with experts, practitioners, and individuals who have experienced their own profound transformations. We'll explore topics such as human design, gene keys, astrology, holistic approaches, coaching, neuroscience, and psychology. We're gonna draw from a rich tapestry of wisdom to help you navigate your own personal journey of self-discovery. So whether you are new to human design or have been on a path of self-discovery for years, this podcast is for you. This is your invitation to step into your power, embrace your uniqueness, and create a life that resonates with your soul's deepest desires. So if you're ready to dive in, let's go. Hello, and welcome to this episode of the energetics of being a human design podcast. And today I'm delighted to be joined by my conscious business mentor, Natalia Komis. And Natalia is a modern day oracle. She serves as a spiritual business mentor and a soul channel for conscious leaders. And she's been doing that since 2012. She is a true multi passionate. She is an energy healer, mind body reconnect therapist, soul activator, serial social entrepreneur, and an artist. And she channels divine creative light for the ascension of the new earth. Hi, Natalia. And thanks for joining me.

Natalia Komis: 2:28

Hello, Sarah. So happy to be here. So excited for this podcast for you.

Sarah Atkins: 2:33

Thank you. And it is exciting for me because obviously you've been sort of part of my journey, I think since 2020. Yeah.

Natalia Komis: 2:42

Yeah. I know how like outside of your comfort zone, isn't it?

Sarah Atkins: 2:47

It is out of my comfort zone, but we're going with it. And I guess. Even the very fact that we're sort of sitting here is kind of testament to the journey that we've been on together.

Natalia Komis: 2:59

Yeah, and I'm so honoured to have been witness to that journey. It's been incredible to see you grow and to get more. Not even necessarily well confident as well, but just more in your power and in yourself and in who you are. And I think that's also a testament to you and into, you know, how you've allowed yourself and giving yourself permission to go there to explore that and to really understand yourself and the world around you in a deeper way, which I'm sure we'll go into in a minute.

Sarah Atkins: 3:35

Definitely. Now, we've done so much work in the last three years, but I'd love to know a little bit about why you do what you do and maybe share a little bit more about how you came to do what you do.

Natalia Komis: 3:48

Yeah, I think, I mean, part of this is, it's something that I can't not do, right? In that it's definitely a huge part of my calling. It's definitely something that has always been there, something that I am constantly drawn to and just that shows up in my life in terms of The healing, in terms of energy stuff in terms of the types of people that I attract and that come to me, you know, I was talking the other day about how I'm literally every day. I don't only have my clients that I'm talking to, but I have at least five friends, close friends who'll be messaging me. I'm like, boundaries. But it's, you know, that is part of my soul purpose here. And that is what I can help people to do is to truly reconnect to themselves and to become more self expressed and to heal that communication and to help people through that as well. In communicating that for themselves. And so I'm always naturally doing it and at some point I think I just thought, why am I not getting paid for this? And the more I explored that, the more I came to terms with it's okay to bring this into. what I do. It evolved, right? It evolved into programs. It evolved into me channeling and doing a lot more, opening myself up even more to this kind of stuff. And what I love about it is the more I work with my clients and the more I work with Allowing myself, right? So what I was saying about you, allowing myself to really go there to the things that feel uncomfortable, the more I'm growing, and we all of us on this path, when we're helping others, when we're doing our own thing, we are ultimately helping ourselves and, and growing into our full potential, and healing a huge aspect of that. You and I have worked a lot with astrology and in the Conscious Business Mastermind. When we are aware of our Chiron placement, we are aware of our big wounds that we're here to heal. And so often we're helping others to heal those wounds and in that process we're healing our own. And I feel that's a huge part of my work and part of why I started doing all of this stuff. Because I was really needing to heal. And... over the years, the more I was doing that, the more I realized I had to step away to now really heal myself. And I think that's, you know, you've witnessed that journey in me as, as we've been working together over the last few years, that you get to a certain point where you can only do so much for others and for your soul mission and for what it is that you want to be doing without fully healing yourself. You have to go through that process in a way. And then at some point. You, you have to really go there.

Sarah Atkins: 7:18

Yeah. A hundred percent. It's interesting, isn't it? Cause as you're talking, I'm reminded of, so the first time I think we started working with November, 2020 and I was at a place where I don't know why I was just drawn to working with you. We worked in a group program together. And I was fascinated by some of the things that you were saying, and it was just, as I was hearing you speaking about some of your journey and where you were at, and I was like, well, this is interesting. And it really caught my attention. I don't think I really realized. At the time, as we never really do, how much healing I needed to do. I'm quite self aware, I think or at least I thought I was. I'm quite pragmatic. I'm quite practical. I've been doing a lot of personal development myself. I'm quite aware of where my. I falter where I have things, but also I've also got very much that be strong driver. I am the matriarch of everything I look after I, I parent my kids. I parented my mum for a very long time. And I was just very practical in that kind of role that I played. I truly wasn't prepared for how much unlearning I suppose there was in that journey that we did. And I actually went through it three times. So what we're talking about is your Temple Journey program.

Natalia Komis: 8:56

Yeah.

Sarah Atkins: 8:57

And I very much joined it on a bit of a, Oh, this sounds interesting. Let's just see what happens. And I think what actually really called me was that you wrote a post, I think, like, have you ever felt particularly drawn to a country or a culture or something like that? And I was like, well, that's interesting. Yes, I am. I've always been fascinated and really drawn into ancient Egypt. It's like an obsession. I've even been there. I've traveled. I've done down the Nile. I've done all the Egyptian temples. I did all that. Gosh. 14 years ago? I think.

Natalia Komis: 9:33

Wow. Nice. Yeah.

Sarah Atkins: 9:34

So a really long time ago, and then all of a sudden you and your messaging coming through, I was like, well, this is really speaking to me. So I dived in, having no knowledge of anything, feeling massively out of my comfort zone. Going like healing, energy, healing. What is this? I have no idea what any of this is. I'd dabbled a bit in meditation, truly unprepared for what was about to happen in our beautifully formed little group. Tell us about that journey. Like, how did that come about for you?

Natalia Komis: 10:08

Well, I was about to say, I don't think I knew what was going to happen either, quite frankly. I had no idea what it was gonna... Look like what the journeys were going to be how it was going to form what it really was going to even the transformation. It was going to create. I had an I had some idea of that, but I was really, you know, I was completely guided to bring that. program to life. And and, I remember questioning it a little bit and thinking, like, why am I doing this? Because up until that point, I'd really been doing mostly, you know, business focused things, right? So even My program before, even though they had a lot of spiritual components and I'd created the elemental business philosophy and, you know, been activating people with the elements, you know, as you know, in the mastermind, but I haven't done a completely. Feminine energy focused program. And so it was out of my comfort zone in that way. Cause I was like, what is this suddenly? But I couldn't not do it, again. It's this thing of there wasn't really an option. I just had to trust that whatever was going to come was right. And that's kind of how everyone came to it. Right. What you're saying, even you had no idea you were just something that was calling you, you were interested, and you just trusted it was something that you wanted to do and was meant for you. Same thing. And I really didn't give away that much information and even now I don't give away that much information. It's kind of on purpose, because, you know, and it's counterintuitive from a business and marketing perspective, but It's on purpose because there's only certain people that are actually meant to do it, right? And the energy will call you if you're meant to do it, regardless of what you read, or of what, you know, it says about the program in detail or not. And so, what happened was... About a year before it came, I got Kali, my dog, my rescue dog, and I had no idea. Honestly, I don't even know where her name came from. I'm pretty sure she told me her name. And then I was like, okay, this is Kali. For short, Kali, good old warrior dark goddess came into my life and shook things up. And from that mument, I was very connected to the dark goddess, a lot of things came up for me. In terms of my sexual energy, healing my sexual energy, healing my womb, healing even my physical body in terms of how I even had sex. How I felt in myself healing a lot of trauma that I had around that, but also my childhood and really reclaiming my feminine energy in a new way because. Just like you, most of my life, I was super hyper independent. Right? So I had to be the strong one. In many ways, you know, I had to really be protective. I had to physically protect. My family, I had to be emotionally the strong one and it was very difficult because it meant I suppressed a lot of my stuff. I suppressed my feminine energy, I suppressed my self expression, I suppressed my emotions really and who I was. And so the only way that I found solace as a child and peace was in nature. And so when I reconnected to the elements from an energetic standpoint, when I actually moved to Spain in 2018, and I did the elemental healing modality, that's when this all kind of started to bubble up a little bit and I remember doing a lot of work with the fire element and that brought up this whole thing of you need to stop the contraceptive pill. You need to stop doing all these things that are numbing you. And I remember saying to my mum, she, she was asking me about how I felt coming off the contraceptive for about a month after I'd done it. And I literally said, I feel like I was completely numb beforehand. I feel like I was literally seeing things black and white. I didn't even realize. And that was almost a representation of a lot of my life where I thought I was okay. I thought I was... Doing all right. I thought I was very intuitive, very in touch with my emotions, very connected. And I was to an extent, to the extent that my brain and my being allowed me to, in order to stay safe. So as soon as I was able to tap back in to my power, I was able to go, you know what? I'm safe enough to tackle this now, I'm strong enough in a different way to be able to lower those walls to open myself up to really just have a look at what's been going on, have a look at my nervous system, have a look at my energy, have a look at where have I been pushing. It took for me to, you know, I actually, March 2020 was when I was going through a lot of this process, or rather, sorry, January 2020. Yeah. It really began and I was doing a lot of healing. I was working with the dark goddesses. I was working with this real warrior energy. So, around January, I had a Reflexology session with a good friend of mine. And it was the first time I'd ever done Reflexology. Now, because I'm very sensitive, any kind of body work tends to be very powerful for me. And during that session, I had... All kinds of visions like I went to a completely different dimension. I had a vision after vision after vision. And in that reflexology session, I had my Kambo ceremony initiation in this other dimension whilst having reflexology. Now, of course, if you remember the Kambo ceremony is this frog poison from the Amazon, and we actually do it in the temple journey program now in the warrior temple. And that was my experience of it. And it was so powerful. And I had no idea what it was at this point. I did not know that this even existed. It wasn't until afterwards where I was looking up stuff because I was interested. I was like, what was that vision? Amazon warrior, weird poison thing. I'm just sort of googling away and then I found it and I was just like, of course it's a real thing. And that would explain why I'm so sick and throwing up now and having this whole weird out of body experience in a physical way, right? And it really was as if I'd literally had it. in real life. And and a lot happened in the space of a very short space of time after that. I ended up having this full weird thing with a shaman who was not very nice shaman. I had to move out my house because my landlord suddenly went psycho and the police got involved and literally so many things in in just a few days happened. It was like somebody had just thrown a bomb on my life and just made it explode and In that time, I was feeling like this was a real big clearing, like a lot of things were coming up, but because there was so much chaos going on around, I couldn't quite focus in on it. And then I got COVID, or what? I believe to have been COVID, not a hundred percent sure. And, it's so clear to me now that when I got that, when I got ill like that, I was, everything was down. My immune system was down. My defenses were down. I was dealing with the after effects of the Kambo all these visions that I'd had. Really I just kind of started to come to terms with the fact that my, nearly 10 year relationship was coming to an end. So many things. And I was ill, if you remember, I was ill for about 8 weeks. And... It was full on, I mean, the house I'd also been in previously had also had a lot of mould. So I pretty sure I had really bad mould toxicity, which would have made my body very inflamed. And it's interesting now that I'm an MBR therapist, right, is I understand it from a scientific perspective as well as energetic and emotional because when something like that happens, our body's defenses are much lower. And when we get something like the flu, even, you know, some kind of virus, it can really attack anywhere that's inflamed. And I had a lot of inflammation and a lot of the stuff that I started to process was bringing a lot of the trauma up that creates inflammation also. So it was like everything in one go

Sarah Atkins: 20:57

Like a full on purge, isn't it literally on everything spiritually.

Natalia Komis: 21:04

Yeah, and now I can see it from a huge part from this lifetime, as well as previous because of course the other thing that happened when I got to Spain was, I was really shown this past life as an Isis priestess, which of course triggered all of these memories and these... Connections to being like a, a sexual priestess in my feminine power, strong in the wilderness, you know, all of these different things. And I went into full blown, I'm a sex goddess mode whilst being ill. Okay. It was really bizarre. I remember my partner at the time was just like, what the hell's going on here?

Sarah Atkins: 21:53

They must have thought it was Christmas.

Natalia Komis: 21:57

I was literally, I was could barely breathe. And because I was doing all of this clearing, I mean, I was in deep, deep meditation, healing, channeling for four hours a day sometimes, like really going. And because partly it was all I could do on certain days. And then other days, cause I was still doing calls now and again. I had to just muster up as much energy as possible just to be able to do that. That call. And the whole time still clearing, still focusing on healing my wounds still working with these energies, and I went back to the UK and it was in the UK where I thought, okay, I feel like now I can start to slowly talk about this. It's funny because just before I left the UK, I had an article come out in the Telegraph about this experience, but of course being Telegraph, being the Telegraph, it was very focused on like sex, healing that during lockdown and all the stuff as opposed to a lot of the other things and the energy work and all of the clearing, right, that needed to happen. But I mean, it turned out. You know, I realized that I'd had a vaginismus for like five, if not more years. And that was my body telling me that it was time to focus and to clear the stuff. And I was just ignoring it. I was ignoring being in my power in my relationship even. But what, and instead what I was doing was being in my power in a masculine way. Which was also not working. It certainly wasn't working from a, wanting to be more sexually expressed way either. So the more I started to open up about that, the more confident I got and the more I was getting pushed and getting all these signs for really bringing the temple journey out. And I remember walking down this really rocky beach and everywhere I went on this beach, I kept finding these what would you describe them? Like spears or not spears? Arrowheads. Yeah. Arrowheads. Exactly. I was just like, okay guys, I get it. And I just kept collecting them. And I had this whole collection of arrowheads. What else is that? Okay, so it's the warriors. There were warriors wanna come through first, and I realized that it was the warriors that I connected with first with that vision that I'd had and the Kambo and all of the rest. And then I started to put the pieces together. But really it was through doing the program that first time that everything started to materialize and make sense. Yeah. And you know that when I do the initiations and the the channeling of that, it was just completely, I have no idea what we were gonna do in each journey, right. In each temple and how that was gonna turn out. And it's basically two hours journey each one, right? Yeah. I have to, even now, sometimes I go back and do them myself because, I just don't even remember what happens in most of them. I have no idea. I've done it three times now and I still can't remember. It was always a bit of a celebration when I remembered a tiny, tiny detail. But it's interesting what you were saying about healing that feminine. Obviously, we know that we're in the Aquarian age now as of 2012, roughly. And I can't share details massively because it's not my story to tell, but I know from our small group what was fascinating to me. And this is where I started to develop my self trust, I think, and myself, you know, there is no coincidence. There was a reason we were all brought together as a group. And the themes that came through was just so fascinating in terms of like the connection. We had never met each other before. Yet the stories and the themes that were coming through. And it was interesting because at various different stages, there was some resistance. For everybody, right? For everybody. And that was the most bizarre thing. The thing that stands out in my mind for me was the goddess temple. I really felt a lot of resistance, yet that was one of the ones that I was most excited about because of the water element. And I think of Athena and Greek goddesses and stuff like that. I was so excited, but I resisted, I really resisted doing the initiation. And when I finally bit the bullet and did it, I think it was like the first 10 minutes. And it was connecting to the sort of mother wound effectively, Mother Mary. And I was like, Oh, now I know why I'm resisting it. Because I had that mother wound and it was just, you said it was about putting these pieces together. That came up in my Chiron, it came up with the mother wound. It came up with a personal thing that was going on for me as well, because during that time, my mum was, over the course of the three years was very, very ill. And for me, part of my deconditioning journey, shedding, healing, all of that stuff was about healing my relationship with her. Unfortunately she passed away last year. But one of the things that I'm so grateful through that temple journey was that I was able to Not just heal myself, but heal our relationship and heal her. And you probably remember that a conversation that we had about nine months before she passed away, I went down, I just felt really called to spend a weekend with her. Which if you knew me and my mum, that would never be anything on our radar at all. I left home when I was 18 and like never went back and stayed with her. But I felt really called and I went down and spent a weekend with her and it was the most amazing weekend, most amazing weekend, just our connection, our conversations. And she actually said."I feel like there's a been a big shift. There's been, I feel like there's been a big release" and I know I shared that with you and I was like, this is. For somebody who's really practical, very logically minded was, it was like magic effectively for me. It just, I don't know, the whole process was very cathartic and very kind of freeing for both of us. And it was amazing, but I guess it comes back to you said yourself. part of that journey was you had to do the work on yourself first before you can then do the work and bring the work to other people. Yeah, definitely. And I really love that Sarah, because it's such a beautiful example of healing our ancestral line as well and healing those patterns and being the one that breaks those patterns. And that's a big part of the temple journey in many different ways, right? So whether it's the feminine line or the masculine or whether it's healing those aspects in you. I feel that as we work with the goddesses so much in the Temple Journey, I feel that they really help to guide us through all these different portals and dimensions, but ultimately all of those are within ourselves, right? So, and that's why I love going through the womb to go into each one because it's about coming back to. ourselves and to source first. And what I really love about that is, you know, Mother Mary, for example, you know, Mary Magdalene Aphrodite, Inanna, all of these different goddesses that we work with, they're all different representations of who we are and our relationships. The parts of us that we don't see or don't recognize and say, sometimes it's just about understanding more about the goddesses. And feeling what might be coming up as we're doing that to then recognize where that is coming up in our life. I knew that when you were resisting the goddess temple, that there was going to be some big stuff coming up for you in terms of healing the feminine, right? Because that's what it's all about. Yeah. So it was very interesting for me to be witness to that journey of yours. And it's so beautiful. Like for me, it's such a beautiful thing to witness and, and such an honor to witness that healing because it's, it's really, really healing for everybody. And I think even for other people that were on the program to see and to hear your story. Even though your mum passed away, it's so special that you are able to have that time with her in that way and to really heal that. You said at the beginning, you don't know why you joined the temple journey. Well, I think that was a big reason for that. Right. Not just for you, but for your ancestral line and for the future generations. And that is, is a perfect example and representation of what's going on, on a collective level right now. You know, so many of us are feeling the call to do big healing work and It is a real clearing of these old ways of doing things. When I did bring the Temple Journey out, I knew there was more to it. I knew it was bigger than me. It was bigger than what I was saying it was. And even now, I don't know the full extent. And it's not my thing to claim in that way, right? It is. And there's many lightworkers and healers and Different people around the world doing this kind of work in slightly different ways where we're being guided to clear all that old stuff, all that old patterning and behaviors and traumas and contracts and all the things that we've kept repeating and repeating and repeating over and over again. In order for us to fully reclaim who we are and you know what I loved when we were doing the mastermind Sarah was your soul mission, do you remember it? Yes. When you, the first time when you were, when you brought it all back to love and that was such a beautiful mission statement, and it really, honestly, for me, on a personal level, it represented everything that we're doing in a way, you know, all of us coming back to that vibration of love and needing to actually understand what that is. You had quite a lot of resistance in a way to that at the beginning, if I'm correct. Yeah, because it felt too big, if I'm honest. It felt huge. And I mean, as you know, my work has evolved over the three years since we first started working, I guess it's just part of the journey. And each layer that I kind of healed and moved through almost opened me up to go, okay. I can now do this. It's the same with anything. Like you say, if you're working with clients as a therapist, as a coach, as like a counselor, whatever, you have to sort out your own backyard first, basically, because you can't truly go there with your clients. You can't catalyze these huge transformations, these healing journeys. If you aren't willing to do the work yourself and it's not always comfortable. I mean, hell the journey that you shared does not sound pleasant in any way, shape or form. It's not all rainbows and unicorns. It's truly purging. And I know some of the ladies in the group went through and are still going through huge transformational shifts in relationships, in business, in life circumstances, but. When we start doing that work, again, you mentioned it at the beginning, it's like giving yourself permission to actually go there. When you do that, you're opening the door for the next level. Clearing out this stuff to welcome in the new, and each time we're stepping up and owning. Again, taking back our power and owning that part of ourselves so we can move on to the next part of ourselves. I see it as a way of reclaiming each different aspect. And it's funny because the work, a lot of the work that I do with human design and I see so many people talking about human design is like,"Oh, I'm a Mani-gen and I can't do that". Or"I'm a projector. I'm not meant to do this". Human design was never meant as that. It was meant as a conversation opener, which is why I use it as a tool. It's the same with any of these modalities. It's an opportunity for you to kind of go, Oh. Well, I'm not sure if I agree with that. Okay. Because, and the same with astrology, it's only one aspect. It's a snapshot of when you were born, it doesn't know who you are today. It doesn't know what you're going through and all of these different circumstances. It didn't know when my Chiron was in Taurus and my human design incarnation cross is actually the right angle cross of the vessel of love, funnily enough. It didn't know that I was going to have to go through a huge change and transformation in order to truly open up myself to receive love and to accept love. And how much of that is a karmic journey with my mum as well and her inability to open up to receive love. And it's like you say, it's about exploring that for yourself, figuring out who you actually are, what you want to take, what you want to discard and what you want to take forward and what you want to explore. Definitely. And I love everything that you've just said, Sarah, and how you put that because it's, it's actually so important because one of the big things I'm seeing a lot is people taking these modalities as if they're freeing them and then putting themselves in a box within it. Yeah. Right. So they're turning to it to be able to find some kind of validation And there's some kind of freedom in that, but then getting so wrapped up in it that you just create another entrapment. And that's what I love about all these different modalities because we can use astrology, we can use numerology, we can use human design you know, all different kinds of energy work even and therapies and. You know, NLP and whatever people have trained in and brought to the surface and harness. But, I believe both you and I understand that when we're working with people, we're reading them and we're going, okay, what does this person need? What is it that I can help them see for themselves? Through the different bits of knowledge and wisdom through the different modalities that I have. How can I use these for them to relate? and to see and to understand more about who they are so that they can reclaim their power. So amazing. So one of your newer modalities talking about that is the mind body reconnect therapy. Yeah. So how does that fit in with what you're, what you do with your clients? Yeah, well for me it was a big piece of the puzzle. After the first round of the temple journey I Got more and more chronically ill so I was already going into my darkness journey. Beginning of the Kali journey, right and I was just getting deeper and deeper into darkness Which isn't actually a bad thing. It's a difficult thing, but it's not a bad thing, right? Just as you were saying about Having to explore these things isn't necessarily easy and it certainly wasn't. I Had severe chronic fatigue you know, long COVID, POTS, like symptoms of fibromyalgia, all sorts of stuff that we can put labels on. But ultimately, I'd opened up Pandora's box, and in Pandora's box, there was a hell of a lot of trauma that I'd still not really fully dealt with. And that was still creating different patterns and problems in my life. For example, a huge lack of boundaries overly people pleasing, this inability to actually listen to myself and just say no, even though I thought I was doing that, I thought I was pretty strong willed and very confident and very powerful. And yet there was so many elements, it was like, I suddenly had this whole blind removed. And I could see all the things that I had been always doing wrong without blaming myself, right? There's a lot of stuff that I just thought, wow, that's like not going to work out well for you. And it was MBR that helped me to see that. And it's this idea of reconnecting your mind and body, but in a very. There's actually quite a lot of logic to it in some ways, because you're connecting your thinking brain and your emotional brain. And if we were to bring it into the spiritual terms, we're looking at ego and soul. But from a trauma perspective, Perspective. And I did a lot of training in this since in terms of somatic stuff and all kinds of stuff. And it really helped me to understand how unsafe I was and felt my whole life and how so many of the things that I'd been doing, so many of my behaviors were linked to that. And my physical body, you know, I had IBS my whole life. I had quite a lot of anxiety. I had mild depression on and off. And all of those things were linked to not being able to really listen to my emotional self because I was never allowed to do that as a child because I wasn't safe enough to do that. Physically, emotionally, mentally. And so... The more I used MBR to heal me, the more I was like, this is amazing. This is the perfect side note, almost, which is actually the root of it all to bring into the energy stuff, to bring into the practical stuff, because so many people and so many of my clients Naturally, have got a lot of trauma, you know a lot of things that have happened to them, and it's not necessarily what society would deem big, big trauma, right? But trauma enough that it prevents them from being, from feeling safe enough. To be fully self expressed in one way or another. So they end up having a lot of unfair treatment. They end up not being able to fulfill their needs to meet their needs fully. They end up in this overthinking overwhelm that keeps going on and on and on. Even things like ADHD, anxiety, any kind of chronic condition. I had someone recently with Hashimoto's all of these different chronic illnesses that come up that so many of us associate with getting the flu, getting COVID, having something happen, and almost always it's either in women or in... men who are very connected to their feminine. And it's because of this constant giving out because you are super sensitive because you've become an empath. And a lot of the time, these things have happened, not because you were born that way, but because of your conditioning. Now, I believe it's a gift to be this sensitive and this empathic, and it's a gift that we can harness for the greater good. But it comes with its challenges and its challenges are that we get really drained. Challenges are that we need to understand when to say no, when to stop people pleasing, when to stop giving too much because we end up giving our power away. And understanding that a lot of the reasoning as to why we're such good empaths is because we had to be, we had to actually understand how to be ahead. How to read someone's emotions before they even were able to read them themselves to protect ourselves. Because we needed to know if we were going to be in a dangerous situation in the next couple of minutes. Or not. That's fascinating, isn't it? Right. As you're saying that, I'm like, I wouldn't necessarily identify with being empathic, but I am intuitive. And it's interesting, just even that change in language, what you've just said is like, yes, I'm a really good reader of people and it's all about trying to keep myself and trying to protect myself. Completely understand that. And if we have evidence of when that's worked in the past, you know, we've got ourselves out of a tricky situation or we've seen someone blow up and we preempted it, our thinking brain is just going to keep going. Hey, you remember that last time when this happened, how can we get out of it quicker this time around? This is also where we, a lot of the time in relationships, we end up bringing this wall because we're protecting ourselves from potential dangers that might happen if we are too vulnerable. Very early on, just before I did the Temple Journey program, I did a series called Reclaim your feminine firepower. And I talked a lot about the differences between the wounded feminine and the wounded masculine. And this wounded feminine looking like overly emotional, we're overly connected to our emotions to the point where we get stuck and the wounded masculine is we're over pushing, right? We're overdoing. to prevent us from having to feel because feeling is painful. Yeah. And so I think you identify with the overdoing, the wounded masculine for sure. I mean, we've all been there. That's exactly where I was. But that's what I loved about the temple journey. All of these programs that I run for me, it's. So healing for me, just as much as for everyone that's partaking in it. And every round I've had to go through and even, you know, even more transformation and heal myself, you know, in the previous round, right at the beginning, I ended up having a miscarriage, and that was a huge thing for me to, to move through and to heal. And it really. guided me and it was another layer. It was almost like the last layer I needed to do to heal that part of my womb, which was where it all began, right? All of that began with healing my womb. And that's kind of how it happened full circle for me to be able to fully understand each aspect. And you know, and, and then we go into another cycle and we, there's more to uncover and it's literally never anything. But each time we step into another level of who we are and into our power. 100 percent agree with that. And it's interesting, isn't it? Because I didn't know what I was signing up for when I did the temple journey. It's led me off onto these other little things. And the same with you, you didn't really know what it was going to lead to. MBR wasn't on your radar then. And it's a perfect example of how we can have these big goals, we can have these lofty dreams to aim for, which gives you a direction point to head towards, but you never know where the path is going to take you. And it's all these little stepping stones and it's making sure that we're open enough to receive, to notice. What's coming up to actually really feel into it, to trust ourselves, to take the next best step. And quite often, and I'm sure so many people listening to this will identify with the wounded masculine. We are so forward focused and pushing and pushing. And we quite often miss what those little flags and those signs are. We don't listen to our body. We don't listen to, we don't see the red flags that are literally going, no, don't do this. So yeah, it all starts with ourselves and sort of healing that part. Yeah, well, we think we are. You know, even I used to think I was listening. I managed to not die during the earthquake in the pool. Right. I had so many accidents and each time I had an accident, I would break something. I was forced to stop and I'd be like, okay, this time I'm gonna do it differently. I'm listening. I'm not gonna do this again. And then yet again, something else. Exactly, exactly. So yeah, I think it's a reminder that. We can do things differently. And, there was a big reminder for me recently. As you know, I took some time out this year and that's the first time I've ever really done that. I actually allowed myself to not work and without being ill or having broken something or something happening, just going, you know what I choose to do this and I was talking to my partner about this recently, and I realized that in this period and in these two quarters this year, I've done the least amount of work I think I've ever done in my life. And I've made more already than I made the whole of last year. I love that, especially for, so anybody, and I hope you don't mind me sharing this, but I know that you are a manifesting generator who is supposed to be this person in theory, if you believed in the box, spinning all the plates, doing all of the things constantly moving, constantly working. But actually this is a perfect example of how the box doesn't always suit. If you look at the quantum purpose of a manifesting generator and generator types, it's to respond and it's to respond not just to what's going on around you, but to respond to yourself, to actually really tune into and feel into what feels good for you right now. You've taken a step away. And I know that in these previous two quarters of this year, you've relocated again come back to yourself. You're in the right place. It makes perfect sense that everything is now in flow for you because you're following yourself, your intuition, and really leaning into that rather than getting caught up in that hustle. Yeah, and I'm not even, you know, barely looking what other people are doing. I'm not like going off trying to do a billion other things. I'm back where it all began, interestingly, right? I'm in love with a wonderful man. I've been able to, even in the summer, like we're going, you know what, let's take another six weeks off and go sailing. Yeah, sure. Let's do that. Like previous and tell is like, what the frick are you thinking another six weeks? Are you insane? When are you actually going to do some work? I have my dad on the phone going, but when, when are you working? When are you actually going to work like that? So good. It's money coming in. Everything's flowing fine. There is no stress. And then I, and I have to remind myself of that as well, right? Cause there are moments where I'm going this isn't right. This isn't how you normally do things. Yeah. But again, that's that conditioning thing, isn't it? Totally, totally. And it's allowing yourself to do it differently. You know, one of the big things in MBR in helping people heal is. Curiosity. And it really is. And you know, there's this whole thing of'curiosity killed the cat'. Curiosity saves you. Yeah. Literally saves you, saves you from boredom, which is one of the biggest killers. It's one of the biggest reasons why people get ill and depressed and anxious because our brain, like we don't like boredom. Our emotional self wants to be excited and fulfilled and loved and have fun. We're not here to be bored. Why on earth would we bother? Yeah, we don't sign up. Hold on. I'll go to earth to just sit around and be bored That's not how it works. I Can talk to you forever Natalia, but I do have to bear in mind You've got a life and you've got boats to sail. Yeah I, I just, I love this conversation and we could definitely carry this on. For anybody listening and if they're curious about the MBR therapy that you do or how to work with you, where can they find you? They can find me on my website nataliakomis.. com or on Instagram, also my name Natalia Komis. My MBR therapy, I take on client's case by case basis. So If you are struggling with any kind of chronic illnesses, depression, anxiety, IBS even, or you really are just feeling a bit lost you can just reach out to me and we can see if that feels good. But as I think you probably feel anyway, when we do use multiple modalities, we bring it into our work as and when it is necessary. So yeah. Oh, amazing. Thank you so much for coming on here. And I will share all of your links in the show notes thank you so much again, Natalia. Thank you, my lovely. Always a pleasure. Take care.

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